00:00 – Greg Lee: Primary care just tests for Lyme disease and my patients have often 3 to 5, you know primary infections that they’re dealing
00:08 – with that they may have gotten from their ticks.
00:21 – Melissa Kramer: Today in our expert series, I’m chatting with Greg Lee, who is a master acupuncturist and Chinese herbalist, alongside
00:27 – being the founder of the Lyme Research & Healing Center. Greg began his career as a systems engineer on NASA projects, but his
00:33 – own experience with chronic illness led to a change in career path. His practices now focus on Lyme disease, and he has a special
00:39 – interest in UTI. We’ve collected a lot of questions from our community on this topic, so thank you for joining me to share your expertise.
00:46 – Greg Lee: Oh, Melissa, thank you for having me. It’s such a pleasure to be here. Melissa Kramer: It’s really good because we’ve had so many questions
00:52 – over the last couple of years about Lyme disease and acupuncture, so maybe we can even talk about that another time. But I wanted
00:58 – to jump straight into some of the basics about Lyme disease, so that we can provide some context for the rest of this conversation.
01:04 – Many people have likely heard of Lyme disease and are aware that it is a tick-borne infection, but can you tell us a bit more about
01:10 – the organism behind Lyme disease and other organisms that might be transmitted by a tick?
01:16 – Greg Lee: Well, ticks can carry over 80 different infections. And so there’s a lot that are missed, not looked for, not tested for.
01:28 – And especially here in the US mainly you know primary care just tests for Lyme disease. And my patients have often 3 to 5 you
01:38 – know primary infections that they’re dealing with that they may have gotten from their ticks. So the main ones that we see in
01:46 – addition to Borrelia and there’s, you know, over 90 species of Borrelia.
01:52 – So there’s Bartonella which is a rod shaped bacteria. There’s Babesia, which is a protozoa like malaria. There’s a bacteria
02:02 – called Ehrlichia. Another one called Anaplasma, Brucellosis
02:09 – also. And there’s lots of viruses that were here – have here in the U.S. Heartland virus, Powassan virus. So those are the main
02:18 – ones that we are seeing. There’s also a bacteria called tularemia, which is called rabbit fever. So those are the main ones.
02:27 – Melissa Kramer: Quite a lot. Is it possible that – Greg Lee: Also, Mycoplasma. We also see Mycoplasma. Melissa Kramer: Right. Okay. Is it possible that someone could have
02:34 – had a tick bite without realizing, or without having that classic bullseye rash that we often hear about?
02:40 – Greg Lee: Of course. The estimates are about 50% of the people either don’t see the bull’s eye rash or don’t get a bull’s eye rash,
02:48 – because either it may show up in their hair and or their immune system isn’t able to produce that rash. And that’s often what
02:57 – we see are patients saying like they don’t remember a tick, they never got a rash. They, you know, all that. So we hear that, you
03:03 – know, several times a week. Melissa Kramer: So what are some of the other symptoms if the rash isn’t present?
03:09 – Greg Lee: So there’s like three phases of infection. There’s like an early phase where a patient can have a rash. If they don’t
03:17 – have it then they often can have fever or flu – cold like symptoms. Some people call it like a summer flu. And that often shows up
03:27 – as one of the earlier ones. And then they have a second phase
03:32 – where it’s like an early disseminated phase, what they call it in some cases. These are general phases that they haven’t really,
03:41 – you know, defined. And so then you can have more musculoskeletal
03:46 – pain, numbness, tingling in some cases, some of the co-infections
03:53 – that come with the ticks besides Borrelia produce like burning symptoms. You can have emotional symptoms anxiety, depression,
04:03 – hopelessness, suicidal thoughts. You can have cognitive issues,
04:09 – brain fog, memory recall, difficulties, inability to focus. So,
04:16 – and it can – Borrelli is known as a great imitator. And you see
04:23 – that if, you know, people get misdiagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis or MS or ALS or these, you know, really serious diseases. And
04:31 – then they perhaps go to a practitioner that’s trained in this and they get treated for the infection and behold and behold,
04:38 – the, you know, severe diagnosis gets resolved. So. Melissa Kramer: Yeah, I was going to say that it sounds like it
04:44 – has overlapping symptoms with a lot of other conditions. So is it worth trying to get a like a differential diagnosis from a
04:51 – Lyme practitioner? If you have been diagnosed with something else and you’re not being able to get treatment?
04:58 – Greg Lee: Yes. Well, it’s always good to get a good and accurate diagnosis. The difficulty is that many – most primary care practitioners
05:08 – are not Lyme educated in doing that. And so it’s still a huge
05:15 – – a very small minority of practitioners that are Lyme aware or Lyme literate, what they – how they describe it here. And so many
05:23 – people then obviously get diagnosed or misdiagnosed. And one of the most common diagnoses that I see in patients that come into
05:32 – my practice that have not been diagnosed with Lyme disease but suspect it, the number one thing is depression.
05:38 – Melissa Kramer: Right? That’s very interesting. If someone is aware they have a tick bite or have a history of tick bite and they’ve
05:44 – had antibiotics at the time, is it still possible that they still have a tick borne infection?
05:50 – Greg Lee: Yes, because in multiple patient studies they found what
05:56 – they call persister forms. These are drug tolerant or drug resistant
06:02 – forms of infections. And they can – they found it in skin biopsies.
06:07 – They found it in nasal swabs. So the current – there’s an organization
06:13 – called ILADS, which is the International Lyme Associated Diseases Society. They are – have protocols that they’re recommending where
06:21 – you’re taking like triple antibiotics and you’re rotating them to prevent resistance. And so it’s very complicated. And there’s
06:30 – lots of side effects with the protocols. And that’s often – the people that we see are the ones that are still struggling despite
06:38 – months or years of treatment. Melissa Kramer: Right. And going back to the symptoms, how might
06:43 – it affect the urinary tract if you have a tickborne infection? Greg Lee: Well, there are tickborne infections that can invade and
06:50 – have been found in the bladder. With my colleague Ruth Chris has found, you know, one called Bartonella. And also other ones that
07:00 – she’s found, detected in whatever pathogens or other tests that
07:05 – she’s done. So you get biofilms, you get inflammation, you get
07:12 – pain. You get, you know, inability to empty the bladder or you
07:17 – get, you know, all sorts of chronic symptoms. In a lot of my patients, there’s a lot of adrenal fatigue. So you have decreased like kidney
07:27 – function. Often, it can happen. So that’s, you know, there’s many different ways
07:34 – that it can affect a patient, especially if they get an infection of these tick borne illnesses in their, you know, urinary system.
07:44 – Melissa Kramer: So is it possible that you could have a tick borne infection and have urinary symptoms as your only symptoms?
07:49 – Greg Lee: Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. It could be, you know, bladder pain. It could be, you know, frequent urination. And because a
07:58 – lot of patients that have, you know, a pretty robust immune system,
08:03 – they may not have a lot of symptoms. It’s the patients that often have difficulty either having a depleted immune system or they
08:11 – have difficulty detoxing, or they have other issues that they’re dealing with because their immune system just can’t keep up.
08:19 – Melissa Kramer: Right. That makes sense. And you mentioned biofilm. So we know they play a role in chronic UTI. How are they involved
08:25 – in tick-borne infection? Greg Lee: Well many of the tick-borne infections either are biofilm
08:31 – producing or they have been found in multi-species biofilms. So
08:36 – it’s like a toxic, you know, gang that’s sitting in the underneath this like slimy stuff that they not only can be protected, but
08:46 – they also swap drug resistant genes. They can do collaborative,
08:51 – actions, whatever it is, produce more biofilm or toxin release or whatever. And so we have – that’s one of the strategies for
09:00 – treating our chronic infection patients is to have an anti biofilm strategy. But it’s kind of like – I used to work in a 24 hour
09:09 – pancake house. And at night when you go into the store room and you turn the lights on and all the little, you know, syrup spills
09:17 – and stuff, I bring out all the bugs, you know. Melissa Kramer: Yeah. Greg Lee: I think to a biofilm, it’s kind of like turning on the
09:23 – lights in the storage room and all the bugs kind of go, ah, and they kind of scatter throughout the patient. So you have to prepare
09:29 – the person for it because it can be too much too soon in some cases.
09:34 – Melissa Kramer: Okay. I want to talk more about treatment, but let’s talk about testing first. So we know there are a lot of limitations
09:39 – with standard testing for urinary tract infection. And people are often misdiagnosed. I take it it might be the same case with
09:47 – Lyme disease, given what you’ve said, what are the standard tests like for Lyme disease?
09:52 – Greg Lee: So there’s a very old two tier test that they have called an ELISA, which is in some conferences I’ve been to, they’ve estimated
10:00 – to be like 30 to 40% accurate. So not very useful. And then the standard Western blot. According to these researchers is they
10:10 – estimate about 50% accurate. So basically it’s the coin flip. And there are many specialty labs that have refined it. They either
10:20 – will culture the blood sample for infections and try to amplify
10:26 – it that way, and then they do their testing and their estimates for some of these are like 80%. There’s a urine test that – from
10:37 – series nano, series Nanotrap, which is supposedly greater than 90% accurate for antigens, for Borrelia. But you also have the
10:46 – issue with the co-infections, the co-infection testing as much – as a much lower estimated accuracy for many of these infections.
10:56 – So. Melissa Kramer: Okay. And do you use any of those tests you mentioned? Or do you have a different approach to diagnosis?
11:02 – Greg Lee: We use something called an Electrodermal scan as an initial screening tool to look for over a thousand different infections,
11:09 – toxins and inflammatory compounds. And from there we can then do further testing if the patient is up for it, or we send them
11:19 – back to their provider to have their blood test run by them. Melissa Kramer: Okay. And what other tests do you utilize when you’re
11:27 – working with someone to learn why they might be more susceptible to chronic infection than others?
11:32 – Greg Lee: So there’s genetic testing that we’ll look at. We’ll – when a patient has run their whole genome, then we can look at
11:42 – methylation genetics. We can look at – to see how well they can use basically B vitamins and folic acid to detoxify. There’s also
11:54 – looking at, that is a primary one – probably the other one that
12:00 – we encourage patients to do. There’s also something called the Visual Contrast Sensitivity test, which tests the ability of the
12:08 – patient to see subtle gray lines that are slanted in different orientations. And if they can’t see the slant of the lines, then
12:18 – there’s the high likelihood that there are toxins in nervous system that are interfering with their visual function.
12:27 – Melissa Kramer: Interesting. Yeah. I mean, it seems like it is quite difficult for people to get a diagnosis of Lyme disease or other
12:33 – tick borne infection. You mentioned there’s not many practitioners in the States that are familiar with this type of approach. How
12:39 – about in the rest of the world? Greg Lee: I have no idea what I’m aware of, you know, obviously
12:46 – in Europe there are probably a lot of them because there’s a lot of tick-borne illness. It’s now there’s more incidence of Lyme
12:54 – disease in China that I hear reports about. Australia often has
13:01 – several different kinds of tick-borne infections that are going
13:07 – on there. You know, one of the culprits are the migratory birds
13:13 – that can have ticks get on them and then they, you know, fly to whatever another part of the country, and then, hey ticks jump
13:20 – up. Melissa Kramer: It does seem to be an increasing problem. Or maybe awareness of it is just increasing. So people are becoming more
13:27 – likely to get tested for this or to seek out a diagnosis. And but once you have diagnosed someone with a tick-borne infection,
13:33 – how do you go about treating that? Greg Lee: So what we use is in the Electrodermal scan, it creates
13:40 – a computer model of the patient. And then in that model we can apply the different remedies whether it be herbals, essential
13:50 – oils, homeopathic, supplements, peptides, and also with different
13:55 – treatments that we use and see how well the patient improves in
14:01 – that computer model. And also in the model we can look at what infections, what issues may be going on in the bladder and the
14:09 – kidneys, and then also looking at what remedies and treatments may help relieve that. So we can’t say it’s, you know, according
14:19 – – since it’s not an FDA approved scan, we have to use our words,
14:24 – you know, carefully. Melissa Kramer: Sure. When it comes to treatment of the infection
14:29 – itself, do you use antibiotics or other antimicrobials? Greg Lee: No, I only use natural remedies. So because I don’t have
14:37 – prescribing rights in the US. Melissa Kramer: Sure. So, are there any risks or side effects when it comes to treating tick-borne infection?
14:45 – Greg Lee: You can get what’s called a toxic die-off reaction or Herxheimer reaction where you use any sort of antimicrobials,
14:54 – whether it be remedies or treatments, the endotoxins or endotoxin
14:59 – like compounds are released, and then the patient can have a flare up of their symptoms, whether it be fatigue or pain or inflammation
15:08 – or brain fog. And this is a very well documented phenomenon. And
15:15 – a lot of patients, when they’ve been to prescribing practitioners and they’ve experienced severe die off reactions, they often are
15:24 – very cautious when they come in to us and say, hey, I’m really concerned about having severe Herxheimer reactions. And so a lot
15:32 – of our upfront work with them is making sure that they can detox effectively and opening up their detox pathways and helping them
15:41 – to have remedies to detox or neutralize toxins quickly.
15:47 – Melissa Kramer: Can you tell us any stories about patients you’ve seen that have come in, maybe with a different diagnosis or with
15:53 – long term Lyme disease that you have been able to take through to being symptom free? Greg Lee: Yeah. So we had this man, 54 year old Caucasian male,
16:03 – and he had been going to one of the top medical centers in the US. For many years, he went over 35 times and got multiple diagnoses,
16:14 – multiple medications, and kept getting worse and worse and worse. And so he began to have suicidal thoughts. And his wife was saying,
16:25 – okay, we’re not doing this top medical institution anymore. We’re
16:31 – going to go to Greg Lee. And so he comes in and one
16:38 – of the typical ways that people who are farmers – he’s a farmer – they’re often like up early. And they’re like push through anything,
16:48 – whether it be pain or fatigue. And they’re, you know, making – making it all happen. And so he was head of his farm and he was
16:57 – saying that he couldn’t add up numbers in his head because he would normally do the books for the farm. And he was just feeling
17:04 – like, oh, it must be something serious, like dementia or Alzheimer’s. And he was really despondent and expressed to his wife that he
17:13 – didn’t want to live anymore. So, unfortunately, we hear that a lot by the time patients get to us because they’ve
17:22 – been frustrated with the lack of results with their previous treatments. So we did our electrodermal scan on him, and we found three different
17:33 – issues that were missed by this top medical institution. One was an infection called brucellosis, which is a bacterial infection
17:42 – that, you know, you can get from livestock and also ticks. There’s also – he had Aspergillus mold in his sinuses because a lot of
17:51 – farm buildings, you know, have mold growing all throughout them. And so that wasn’t a surprise. He also had a Clostridium in his
18:01 – intestines, which can be like C. difficile can if it gets out
18:07 – of control, can be a very life threatening condition. Melissa Kramer: Yeah. Greg Lee: So we after we scanned him and then came up with a remedy
18:17 – and treatment program in the scan and implemented that, he also
18:23 – received different treatments because he had a high levels of mycotoxins that was driving up inflammation. And so what we did
18:32 – immediately was put him on something called hydrogen therapy where we have a hydrogen generator and patients can inhale that through
18:42 – a nasal cannula. And given that hydrogen is such a small molecule, it can go right in the nervous system and start to work in the
18:49 – brain and detoxing, lowering inflammation, neutralizing free radicals.
18:57 – And he was feeling like lighter and feeling more optimistic just
19:02 – starting with the hydrogen. And then we also use a system called
19:08 – frequency specific microcurrent. So based on the scan results we can identify which regions of the brain may be inflamed, toxic,
19:16 – infected. And then we can custom program the microcurrent to target that. So in our, you know, IC interstitial cystitis patients,
19:24 – bladder pain patients, then we can do – program the microcurrent to do pain relieving anti-inflammatory frequencies in the bladder,
19:33 – the urethra, the kidneys. So in his case it was more his nervous
19:38 – system, his joints were most affected. And that really helps us
19:44 – to – it’s almost like having a digital medical provider in a box that you can just hook up and put on the patient and start saying,
19:51 – hey, let’s reset your nervous system, let’s detox your, you know, your brain, let’s lower inflammation. So we often have multiple
20:00 – units running on one patient at the time handling three different things, you know, in one treatment session. And then after that,
20:10 – we – he found something extremely helpful for getting his pain
20:15 – down in Chinese medicine treatment called cupping and bloodletting. So you’re actually putting suction cups on, and you may have seen,
20:23 – like in the Olympics, the swimmers that have the little round circles on their back and you’re like, oh, what did they do? Or
20:31 – they got bruised. And so that’s a cupping indication. There’s two ways of doing cupping. You can just put the suction
20:36 – cup on and it kind of draws stuff to the surface and then hopefully the body will resolve it. In our patients, we want to get it out
20:44 – of their body. So what we’ll do after putting the cup on for a little while, we’ll take it off, we’ll needle and then put the
20:51 – cup back on. And that enables the toxins, the inflammation, the
20:57 – thick hyper coagulation compounds in the blood to come out of the body. And this has been a game changer for our patients who
21:05 – have chronic pain issues, chronic inflammatory syndromes. And
21:10 – we have perhaps severe blocks in their ability to detox and drain
21:16 – this out. So it’s really just mechanically pulling things out quickly. You know, we’ve had, you know, patients go from he –
21:25 – just this man went from being, you know, having joint pain, probably a seven, eight out of ten down to like a three level after his
21:35 – just first treatment. And over the next course of the next 3 to 4 months, it continued to improve and what is surprising about
21:44 – the blood that is extracted, it’s not like regular, normal red, you know, liquidy blood. It’s dark, it’s thick. It often looks
21:53 – like, you know, something you’d see, like in a cherry Jell-O mold. You know, it’s like, oh, what is this? You know, coming out of
22:00 – patients. So and that’s often an indication of higher levels of toxicity and also hyper or the high coagulation compounds that
22:10 – have just accumulated in the person. And it’s very difficult for these patients to get them out.
22:15 – Melissa Kramer: So if it’s do you think the time frame for a treatment to be a success depends on how long someone has had the infection
22:21 – in the first place? Greg Lee: Oh, definitely. Because the more disseminated, the more
22:26 – chronically, you know, inflammation and toxins and other issues and, you know, get worse over time. So, obviously early, early
22:36 – treatments of that. So yes, that’s what we are supportive of. But unfortunately we’re often not the first stop when patients
22:44 – go seeking treatment. It’s usually like, well, you know, maybe
22:49 – I’ll try this guy next. So yeah. Melissa Kramer: For someone who does have quite a chronic case, how long do you think they should expect for treatment to take?
22:57 – Greg Lee: It’s all over the map. You know, some patients like this, this man I was talking about in the case study in four months,
23:04 – he came in and saying, like, hey, I’m going to go on a cruise to Alaska. I haven’t been on that in years. And he was all happy.
23:11 – And he says, you saved my life. And if you have anyone who wants to talk to you about what you do, give him my number. So I say,
23:20 – like, okay, got somebody else talk to you? Okay, great. Melissa Kramer: Yeah. Well, you mentioned with that patient mold
23:25 – in his sinus. So what is mold toxicity and what are the symptoms that someone might experience?
23:31 – Greg Lee: So the mold toxicity symptoms in many of my patients,
23:36 – they may not be aware they’re being exposed to it because there’s a leak behind the wall, or their car windows leak, or their building
23:46 – or air conditioning is just blowing mold toxins around. And it’s from another part of the building. So they often can show up in
23:54 – many cases as allergy symptoms, you know, itchy eyes, runny nose,
24:00 – you know, increased sensitivity to like getting colds and flus
24:05 – and things like that. In other patients, it may show up as anxiety. We had one woman, her dog had chewed the drainage pipe. And so
24:15 – the the drain coming off the roof instead of going away from the house, was going towards a house in the crawl space. And so she
24:23 – noticed that I’m having a lot of anxiety being in my house. And
24:28 – also after that it was insomnia. And then, you know, having twitchy, weird movements, vesiculations. So, there are multiple kinds of
24:40 – mold toxins, mycotoxins that are produced. Some are called tremorgenic. And they produce, you know, different vesiculations and tremors
24:49 – in patients. So, this is a huge problem given that at least in
24:54 – the – definitely in the US, and I imagine so in, you know, where you are too because a lot of buildings are water damaged, either
25:03 – from the roof or stuff coming up through the ground. And that is the perfect habitat for mold to grow in. And that’s something
25:13 – that we always have in the back of our mind as, okay, this is a factor in patients that are struggling for a long time despite
25:21 – being on, you know, everything under the sun. That’s mold is one of the main suspects.
25:26 – Melissa Kramer: Do you ever recommend that people test their environment for molds? Greg Lee: All the time. Melissa Kramer: How would someone go about that?
25:33 – Greg Lee: Well, the challenge is finding a practitioner that really knows what they’re doing. They just didn’t take one like mold
25:41 – remediation course. It’s like, okay, now I’m a mold guy, you know? But they really understand how the – it can evolve and change
25:51 – and grow. And so they may do actual physical tape samples. They
25:56 – may do air sampling. We, you know, it’s just a matter of, you
26:02 – know, knowing when and where to apply which test to really get the most accurate. And, you know, I’ve unfortunately have patients
26:10 – go like, oh, yeah, I have that funny smell in my basement. And I’m like, oh no, you know, you need to really get that looked
26:17 – at and checked out, you know? So. Melissa Kramer: I guess it’s more obvious if you can smell something, but it’s not always the case, I’m sure.
26:24 – Greg Lee: Yeah. It could just be that they just have a symptom pop up and they’re like, never had this before. You know, I’ve never
26:32 – been anxious before or whatever. Yeah. Melissa Kramer: And we have heard from a few people who’ve noticed that they’ve gone on holiday and their symptoms have gone away.
26:38 – So that’s for them identified that something is happening in their home environment. I suppose that was the indication.
26:43 – Greg Lee: Now is that true for them? For the UTI patients, that their symptoms go away when they go on holiday. Melissa Kramer: Sometimes. Yeah.
26:50 – Greg Lee: Well when your body gets exposed to the mold toxins, one way is eliminating through the urinary system. So you’re going
26:57 – to get inflammation. Also the – a lot of the molds produce something called oxalate oxalic acid which then binds and forms crystals
27:06 – in the body. And they’re like little shards of glass. And a lot of them get eliminated through the urine. And so you have all
27:14 – these little glass shards you’re peeing out and that can also create inflammation, pain, tissue damage. So that’s another thing
27:22 – that we see in our mold patients. And it’s almost all the protocols that I see out there in the US, they do not address oxalate toxicity
27:32 – in the body. So that’s one of the things that we find has been very helpful for our bladder pain patients is to address, you
27:40 – know, helping them reduce oxalate load in their body, get off oxalate, high oxalate foods, and obviously get out of them exposure
27:47 – to environmental mold as much as possible. Melissa Kramer: How do you test for mold toxicity in someone?
27:54 – Greg Lee: So we use the Electrodermal scan to scan for different mycotoxins and then also different mold species. And then also,
28:03 – you know, looking at their history and looking at their other testing, it’s become more in the, you know, Lyme aware community
28:14 – that they need to do more testing for mycotoxins and mold in patients.
28:19 – Melissa Kramer: Why might someone be fine around mold and another person not be? Because we’ll often hear from people who live in
28:25 – the same house as someone and they’ve been impacted by the mold while their partner hasn’t.
28:30 – Greg Lee: Right. So there’s a there’s a clinician, he’s retired now, called Doctor Richard Shoemaker, and he did a lot of research
28:38 – around mold and genetics, and he found that approximately 25% of the patients are lacking something called human leukocyte antigen
28:48 – genes for detoxing mold toxins and Lyme toxins and Babesia toxins and toxic algae toxins, and so on. And if a patient is unable
28:58 – to get these out, then they basically just accumulate them and they get sicker quicker, often. Then other people around them
29:05 – who are saying like, okay, I can produce this antibody tag, the mycotoxins, and I can get it out where – so that’s often one of
29:12 – the differences. Melissa Kramer: Okay. Greg Lee: And also if they have other immune issues, immune challenges
29:19 – then it can be an overwhelm for the patient. And they just don’t have the capacity or the bandwidth to be able to process whatever
29:26 – they’re exposed to. Melissa Kramer: Yeah. And I suppose that’s the case for a lot of people with chronic urinary tract infection as well. There’s always
29:32 – something going on with the immune system and that overload is a problem. Greg Lee: Yeah. What happened to that perfect life where nothing
29:38 – ever goes on and it’s like, you know, we can just have fun all the time and drink and eat anything we want.
29:44 – Melissa Kramer: That would be nice. I do meet people like that sometimes. Greg Lee: Yeah. Melissa Kramer: I know. Seems like a nice way to be. But what does
29:50 – treatment for mold toxicity look like? Greg Lee: So we look at whatever species and mycotoxins that we
29:57 – can address or pick up in the scan. And then we will select different
30:03 – remedies that have been researched to be able to inhibit the different,
30:10 – you know, mold species or fungal species and in a lot of cases, it could be Candida also in there. And then also using different
30:19 – binders to bind to the mycotoxins and the intestines. Also microparticles.
30:25 – We do a lot of work. We’re in a research facility here and are researching the using microparticles for addressing infections
30:34 – and toxins and inflammation so we can custom formulate them over
30:40 – the course of a patient visit and give that to the patient when
30:45 – they leave. And that has been effective in terms of like helping to deliver greater quantities of these, like essential oils or
30:54 – supplements or herbal into the nervous system or into the sinuses
30:59 – to help reduce the toxin load and also the mold, you know, levels
31:06 – too. Melissa Kramer: Are there essential oils that directly help relieve bladder symptoms?
31:12 – Greg Lee: Oh, there’s tons of them. In fact, we have a top five essential oils for UTIs download available, which I’m sure you’ll
31:22 – make, you know. Melissa Kramer: I’ll be sure to put it in the video description so people can download it after they watch.
31:28 – Greg Lee: Yeah, yeah. So there’s ones that we use that are highly antifungal, whether it be like oregano, clove, thyme. You know,
31:38 – there’s more than just the five. And what we do is we’ll test patients to see which ones show up as most optimal in their scan.
31:47 – And then we’ll also test them using a method called pulse diagnosis
31:52 – in the treatment room. And we’ll then custom formulate that with the intention not only to go after and inhibit whatever infection
32:01 – or mold or, you know, fungi we found, but also to help reduce
32:07 – the mycotoxins load. So there’s also essential oils that have a high antitoxin ability like lavender and eucalyptus. And those
32:19 – also in different studies have been effective against certain species of mold and mycotoxins. And so, you know, based on that,
32:26 – what we find in the patient in the scan, then we can just really be super targeted with that. Also there’s different herbals that
32:33 – have some antifungal properties that we’ll use. Supplements, grapeseed
32:39 – – grapefruit seed extract, ionic silver are some of them that we’ll use also. And also there’s homeopathic
32:47 – remedies that we’ll use, if we can find – identify the species. Then we can often find a specific what’s called a German biological
32:56 – homeopathic remedy to target that species. And that often helps. And then –
33:02 – Melissa Kramer: Okay. Greg Lee: There’s microcurrent. Melissa Kramer: Uh-huh. Greg Lee: Specific microcurrent – a millionth of an amp, electrical
33:09 – frequency kind of matches the body’s electrical system. And it was – it’s been used for over 100 years. And in the last probably
33:18 – 30 years in the US, it’s really has become much more popular with
33:24 – medical providers. And there are frequencies that will help with
33:30 – detoxifying classifying mycotoxins and helping to relieve inflammation.
33:35 – And you can target, as I mentioned earlier, you have a bladder frequency. You have urethra frequency, you have kidney, adrenal,
33:43 – you know, also nasal different nasal passages and sinuses and
33:49 – all. So wherever we can pick it up, wherever the person may have symptoms, then we can test and create the microcurrent program
33:58 – custom to them, run it and then see what kind of improvements they can have within a single treatment.
34:05 – Melissa Kramer: Does the microcurrent itself cause any pain? Greg Lee: So when you have microcurrent frequencies, for the most
34:12 – part, I mean, if you really wanted to, you could. But for the
34:18 – most part, if the – if you pick the the incorrect frequency, the body just kind of goes and doesn’t really react to it, you really
34:26 – have to work at it. And like, you know, in rare, very rare cases.
34:32 – It may cause pain, but for the most part, no, it you really have to – no.
34:39 – Melissa Kramer: Well, where can patients f ind out more about your work? And do you also train clinicians in how to use these approaches?
34:45 – Greg Lee: Yes. We are located actually in Frederick, Maryland in the US. And our website is lymeresearchcenter .c om and we have
34:57 – our clinic here. And then also we offer – have a online community
35:02 – called heal for real where we offer weekly trainings on a monthly
35:09 – topic. And so this month’s topic is using lasers and LEDs for
35:14 – healing infections. And we’ve been doing this for three years. So we have over 100 recordings also that you can get access to
35:22 – when you join the community. And you can get that get to that at lymeresearchcenter.com/hfr.
35:29 – And that’s, you know, stands for heal for real. And also you get community meetings and other fun ways to connect with other practitioners
35:39 – and other patients in the community. So that’s and we also do
35:44 – bootcamps on the specific topics like microcurrent, like neurological Lyme disease. And, you know, if there’s enough response, we’ll
35:52 – create a boot camp on UTIs if necessary. Yeah. Melissa Kramer: It’s likely there would be enough people to be interested
35:59 – in that. Greg Lee: Yeah. And so those are like three day intensives where we’ll cover, you know, what are the biggest challenges we’re seeing.
36:07 – And then also case studies and then what treatments. And how do you sequence the treatments. Because they’re very important. You
36:14 – just don’t want to just blast the mycotoxins and the infections, you want to make sure the patient can get rid of the toxins quickly
36:22 – enough, drain the inflammation, relieve their symptoms, and then we slowly can ramp up the antifungals and the antimicrobials to
36:32 – help, you know, knock down their infection load. Melissa Kramer: Okay. That’s all great. We’ll put the links into
36:39 – the video description so people can find it more easily. And I wanted to thank you again for sharing your knowledge with us today.
36:45 – I think we’ll probably receive a lot more questions after the video from interested people. And so possibly we can also reach
36:52 – out for another interview in the future. Greg Lee: All right. Well, I would love to do it. This has been great, Melissa. Thank you so much.
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